The Best Christmas Present

If we finally learned anything 4 months ago, it's that truly anything is possible when it comes to Yu-Gi-Oh. For the first time, we really got our seperate Forbidden/Limited list, and boy did it do a lot. Finally, so many annoying problem cards were gone; Card Destruction, Gateway of the Six, Monster Reborn, and much more were taking the bus to the underworld. This December, around Christmas time, our new F/L list will be revealed, so today I want to go over some changes we will likely see, and changes I hope to see.

jeff jonesNow, while the F/L list did many great things, it did miss one thing that has ruined part of our format, but honestly no one could have foreseen the drastic influence the dreaded [ccProd]Return from the Different Dimension[/ccProd] could have. It went from seeing no play whatsoever, to being the most feared card in the game. There is no doubt in my mind that, this will be Forbidden.

Of course also, the next most feared card would probably be [ccProd]Sixth Sense[/ccProd], a card which never should have seen the light of day. Even if not every deck can run it, it's one of those cards that says "You activate me, you can win the game" and we want to eliminate as many of those as possible to make our game more fair, so you actually get to play games instead of watching your opponent activate cards and summon infinite monsters to kill you.

I would also like to see cards like [ccProd]Limiter Removal[/ccProd] be Forbidden. Even though it doesn't see much play, Samurai also did not get Gateway was a card that needed to go. Limiter Removal falls under that same category of cards that says "You have me, you win". I'm sure at one point in time, we've all be subjected to "Limiter for game", and it's not a great feeling let me tell you.

tempest, dragon ruler of stormsMoving on to cards I'd like to see Limited are of course, ALL of the Dragon Rulers, so let's go over the possible ways to deal with this deck and why I felt this is the correct way to go.

By Semi-Limiting all the Dragons, you also have to touch cards like Sacred Sword, [ccProd]Dragon Ravine[/ccProd], etc. This means you are doing way to many things to try and deal with one deck.

Some people think that Tempest and Blaster are the real problems, and Tidal and Redox should be left alone. I've actually played games where Tempest and Blaster were limited, while Redox and Tidal were not, and let me tell you, Dragon's is still so extremely powerful.

In the end (even though I hate to punish Redox and Tidal) the best and most efficient way to deal with Dragon Rulers, without also limiting a bunch of other cards, would be to Limit them all to 1.

So when you deal with Dragon Rulers, whats left? Well, Prophecy in my opinion would be the next big thing. Honestly, even with all the cards you can side against Prophecy, I feel like Dragons are the only thing stepping in the way from Prophecy destroying everything. We all know how good [ccProd]Spellbook of Fate[/ccProd] is. [ccProd]Spellbook of Fate [/ccProd] by itself makes some decks not playable. This means Ghostricks, Noble Knights, Bujin, and many other decks simply cannot compete because [ccProd]Spellbook of Fate[/ccProd] doesn't target and banishes any card from play, and since all those decks can only play 1 monster at a time, they can just never have a monster period. Dragons can only win because it can put 3 Monsters on the field at a time making Fate less of a problem.

Spellbook of FateSo how do we deal with this? Well, I'm pretty sure by limiting Fate to 1, it will put Prophecy in a place where it's still completely playable, yet also not destroying the meta making decks unplayable. Many people will say "Why? You can just search it." Yes this is true, but that's not the point. The point is now, after you play [ccProd]Spellbook of Fate[/ccProd], you now have to resolve a Spellbook Tower to put Fate back, and THEN search it. Many Spellbook players know that before, you could banish a Fate when you activate Fate, and then you are able to Spellbook of Eternity the banished Fate to your hand, making it so you have endless removal while you are also putting cards back from Spellbook Tower. With Fate limited to 1, you can no longer do that. You have to actually work for your free monster removal.

As for the Semi Limited, there aren't many cards that really belong here, but I would love to see [ccProd]Chaos Sorcerer[/ccProd] come back to 2. Honestly, I love Norito, which takes 2 level 6 Spellcasters, so I'd love some easier and better cards to make him. And lets face it, so many cards that are currently ran are just much more powerful than [ccProd]Chaos Sorcerer[/ccProd].

The last card I would love to see Semi Limited is Neo-Spacian Grand Mole. We've never been able to run more than 1 of this guy, and yet very few decks have really ever used him and been successful. Right now, hes a card that uses up your very important Normal Summon, to possibly deal with an Xyz/Synchro monster, and thats only IF your opponent doesn't have any Trap cards or something like [ccProd]Effect Veiler[/ccProd]. I think Grand Mole is a perfectly fine card to have around at 2 with out causing any problems.

The only card I would like to talk about that I would like to see go to 3, is [ccProd]Tour Guide from the Underworld[/ccProd].

Tour Guide's true power relied in that of[ccProd]Sangan[/ccProd], who now is in the Underworld himself, taking a long vacation (probably permanent). I don't think I've ever heard of anyone complaining, "Oh gosh look at that scary Zenmaines, I'm so angry". Rank 3's aren't incredibly powerful, and with Tour Guides stipulation of not being able to Synchro with the monster you brought out, it's just an incredibly watered down version of [ccProd]Deep Sea Diva[/ccProd]. Without her buddy[ccProd]Sangan[/ccProd], Tour Guide is just a cool card which can help boost the power of some decks in the future.

Concluding this, I really hope our new F/L list helps shake up the format, because I'm really... really sick of Dragons. I know that a new F/L list is actually, the best Christmas Present a duelist can get.

Have a wonderful holiday guys, and remember, play hard or go home.

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  • James Nash

    The fact that you almost predicted the banlist perfectly is amazing. You have a fan in me, sir, and I can’t wait for you to win that $500 lol

  • uwishuknew

    Can you explain to me y a lot of people want constellars and evilswarms hit by the ban list?

  • Clyde Lester Camero

    Jeff forgot Harpies =)

  • pajousek

    Jeff, what are the chances of these cards coming back, in your opinion? 🙂

    – Pot of Avarice
    – Trishula
    – Glow-Up Bulb
    – Sangan

    Yes, I really want to play chaos plants again. 🙁

  • Nick Habeeb

    This is what should happen

    Banned
    Sixth Sense
    Return From The Different Dimension
    Limiter Removal
    Rekindling
    Number 11 Big Eye
    Inzektor Hornet
    Number 66 Master Key Beetle
    Safe Zone
    Dark Hole
    BLS

    Limited
    Blaster Dragon Ruler Of Infernos
    Tidal Dragon Ruler Of Waterfalls
    Tempest Dragon Ruler Of Storms
    Redox Dragon Ruler Of Boulders
    Dragon Ravine
    Evilswarm Ophion
    Karakuri Shogun Burei
    Karakuri Steel Shogun Bureido
    Hieratic Dragon King Of Atum
    Constellar Kaus
    Spellbook Of Secrets
    Spellbook Magician Of Prophecy
    Mermail Abyssteus
    Mermail Abyssmegalo
    Fire Formation Tenki
    Noble Knight Medraut
    Harpie Channeler
    Judgement Dragon
    Infernity Archfiend
    Grapha Dragon Lord Of Dark World
    Snoww Unlight Of Dark World
    Bujin Yamato
    Effect Veiler
    Maxx C
    Skill Drain
    Vanitys Emptiness
    Deck Devestation Virus
    Kaiser Colisseum

    Semi Limited
    Bottomless Trap Hole
    Compulsory Evactuation Device
    Torrential Tribute
    Book Of Moon
    Lonefire Blossom

    Unlimited
    Inzektor Dragonfly
    TG Striker
    Gladiator Beast Bestiari
    Blackwing Gale The Whirlwind
    Transmigration Prophecy
    Dimensional Prison
    Debris Dragon
    Plaugespreader Zombie

    • Alexj0409

      With your list, Gladiator Beast’s would absolutely wreck havoc.

    • Chris D

      Wow call this the list of butthurt.. ur not limiting decks ur making them unplayable. 1 burei and bureido forreal?..grapha and snoww..making an already inconsistent deck unplayable…1 infernity archfiend basically makes that deck unplayable as well..Yamato and medraut?hitting decks that havent even had a chance (and the fact u limited kaiser really shows how much u like bujins).. Sir no offense but u need to really reevaluate ur list, just bcuz u dont like how a deck may play doesnt give u the right to make it unplayable..And the traps are fine where theyre at without heavy, were already in a set 5 format no need to make it worse.

    • uwishuknew

      Ur trolling right?

  • Noah LaRosa

    Jeff, Honestly, I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone have as many of the same views as me(Non-Biased btw) and tell it so perfectly. If this were the list come December, I’m coming out of YCS Retirement. That’s how happy I’d be xD

  • Basilis Liakopoulos

    What about Bujins?Are we fine with all of them?

  • WolfgangDS

    I would like to disagree with Chaos Sorcerer. With a passion. And a vengeance. I’m sorry, but the Chaos monsters just need to go. BLS-Envoy was only unbanned because he had been reprinted in a Gold series a month before, and we all know it. And Chaos Sorcerer? The format was fine when he was banned, and if it wasn’t, it wasn’t because he wasn’t around, it was because other stuff was mucking it up.

    Grand Mole has been at 1 for a very long time and I don’t want to see that change at all. Why? Because I LIKE my Synchro Monsters (yes, I still run Synchros, Shooting Star Dragon in fact, two of them, deal with it). I’m not particularly fond of control decks, not least of which is Rock Stun. Once they get ahead- and they can and do- then there’s very little chance of getting the pace of the game back from them. Grand Mole to 2 would give them an unprecedented advantage in your desired format.

    I’m also a little iffy about Tour Guide. Rank 3 monsters may not be as uber-powerful as, say, Dracossack (prounced COSS-SACK, people, it’s a Russian name), but I think you’re underestimating them. Zenmaines isn’t the only good one out there. Mechquipped Angineer is a wonderful defense card with just enough ATK to count as an extra slap to the Life Point. And then there’s Number 49: Fortune Tune. Combined with just two copies of Tour Guide, one Tour Bus, and a VERY thin deck, Fortune Tune becomes the ultimate stall card by continuously recycling itself (with a little Life Gain as a bonus). Tour Guide, for this reason, is fine at 2.

    Don’t get me wrong, you made several points I agree with. Return from the Different Dimension and Sixth Sense are both cards that need to go. I understand why they Limited Sixth Sense on its release- just to give people a feel for it (and to sell Joey’s World boxes)- but one format is long enough. I would also be sad to see Limiter Removal go (surviving it means that’s a field full of monsters you don’t have to deal with on your turn), but the upcoming Cyber Dragon structure is going to make Chimeratech Fortress Dragon and Cyber Eltanin perfect solutions to Removal’s kickback effect.

    And as for Limiting the Dragon Rulers and Spellbook of Fate? Your reasons were logical and well thought out. I honestly can’t think of any reason to disagree with them.

    Honestly, I would love to see the format expanded even further. Something where as many as 20 different decks could win a given tournament would be amazing. A format where you can never REALLY expect anything.

  • Stuart Vasquez

    Great article Jeff and do u think my predictions are good?

  • Stuart Vasquez

    Banned
    Return
    Sixth sense
    Eradicator
    Limiter removal

    Limited
    Fate
    Sacred sword
    Big eye
    Vanity emptiness
    Trishula
    Solemn judgment
    Yata garasu
    Dragged down

    Semi limit
    Lonefire
    Ravine
    Torrential
    Fire fist spirit
    Judgment dragon
    Soul drain
    Chaos sorcerer
    Rota
    Grand mole
    Shi en
    Book of moon
    Transmigration prophecy
    Ophion
    Evilswarm castor
    Constellar Pollux

    Unlimited
    Tengu
    Striker
    Debris
    Tour guide
    D prison

    • Donnell Washington

      so…. WHY THE hell did u bring debris to 3 lone fire to 2 and tengu to 3?!

      I wanna hear your terrible excuse…

      • Stuart Vasquez

        Ok take debris out lol

    • Nick Habeeb

      The fact u didn’t touch dragons at all shows ur a fucking retard if u even dare think they are “healthy” for the game. What’s the matter scrub you afraid to play something else that isn’t a free win?

      • BeastLinkEXE

        I’m sorry, your response is unhealthy. Players need to accept the fact that there will ALWAYS be a deck that out-right slaughters all the other decks in any given format. Blackwings, Tele-DAD, Goat control, Mermail, etc. There has always been that “overpowered” presence. Elemental Dragons, obviously, will get hit, but only for us to see the rise of the next “overpowered” deck for players to cry about.

  • Adam

    Who thinks dragged down to the grave needs to be banned?
    Think about it when your opponent is using dark worlds.
    He gets to remove your best card in your hand, destroying your next move.
    You discard something from HIS hand and it ends up being bad for you.

  • Clyde Lester Camero

    I kind of agree that if ever Dragons would still be weakened, it should be with Spellbooks as well, Fate is really something and definitely Return from the Different Dimension with Sixth Sense should be banned. This is a good Christmas gift ^_^

  • Nick Habeeb

    Like this comment if your looking forward to Pat Hoban”s next stupid banlist article 🙂

    • frank

      lol i would have said that my self, but his last one was surprisingly close the the actual list